Keep on a-sacraficin'... for what?
| By Doc - Feb 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm EST |
| Also listed in: Veterans for Progress |
In a country full of psychotic dichotomies, this really takes the cake. Pull out your flag waving, 'Support the Troop' magnet wearing, mission accomplishing home bound patriots on both sides of the aisle...Shame on YOU! From VVAW.net this morning:
"Not even waiting for the debacles to end and all the soldiers to come home, where have I seen this All before!
"I get a newsletter, many 'Nam Vets and now OIF and OEF Active and Vets are on his list, from a brother 'Nam Vet that started in the drum roll of War and has continued these last 7 plus years. It's called the "Military Project" and is based on the Underground GI Newspapers during the Vietnam War, sans online technology, that were started on Military Bases around the World and In-Country Vietnam as the Military troops started organizing against our countries failed policies and devastating Conflict and Occupation.
"This was in the recent news letter: Veterans groups want cap on tuition aid under new G.I. bill
"Just a few months after securing a historic, multibillion-dollar increase in veterans educational benefits, some veterans groups may ask Congress to wipe out part of what they gained.
"The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and the American Legion are among groups considering asking lawmakers to place a cap - $13,000 per year has been suggested by the IAVA - on tuition aid for veterans. That's far less than would be available in many states under a new GI bill for post-9/11 troops but is enough to cover virtually all public college costs, advocates of the limit say.
"The cap would make the new benefit program easier for veterans to understand and simpler for the Department of Veterans Affairs to run, said Patrick Campbell, the IAVA's legislative counsel.
"One of the reasons I became active in Veterans issues, outside of being one and especially one who served in-country 'Nam my last year of a four year Navy hitch, was in watching the political game playing and an apathetic society, that doesn't serve, not raising their voices against what goes on. I was seeing benefit monies not increased, because of our failed political foreign policies that created another generation of combat vets, but transfered from one group, Korean Vets, to us returning 'Nam Vets, than quietly cut each year or walls put up to make it tougher to receive what was due for our service to country.
"Why this new generation of Vets, especially in a highly respected group like IAVA-Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America would be looking to start rolling back what they fought so hard to get passed, the New GI Bill and teaming up with the American Legion, one of the long standing Veterans Groups, virtually silent on what happens to those returning, along with other long standing vet groups, until well after the investigative reports have hit the mainstream, is beyond me, but I've watched it all before. And the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars-VFW have been part and partial to the political will of backing these types of cuts to their brothers and sisters, one of the reasons many of us 'Nam Vets belong to neither!
"I'll say this, IAVA you're being played and played for the benefit of these long entrenched Veterans Groups with political agenda's, not agenda's strickly for us who've served!
"a cap - $13,000 per year has been suggested by the IAVA - on tuition aid for veterans.
"This is what Thomas, of the "Military Project" has in footnotes to the article:
"Translation: veterans are unfit to go to more expensive private colleges so we sell-out, backstabbing worthless s**t-eating fake "Veterans Organizations" don't want them to have the money to go; those are for the children of the rich, after all.
"We can't have a bunch of grotty veterans around campus reminding Muffie and Bruce Jr. about the unpleasant realities of American life. As the super rich of Greenwich, Connecticut like to say, "They just wouldn't fit in." And by the way, did you catch the weasel words, "virtually all" public college costs? That means it won't cover all public college costs. Duh.
"Thomas can get extremely colorful in his language { you can read the recent news letter here in PDF }, like myself, when he's Extremely Pissed, as we watch, and have been witness to, the DeJa-Vu concerning our Wars and Occupations and the Returning Troops, we've been fighting this crap for many years now, and continue to do so, living up to our Oath to our Service taken when we joined and lived!
"The cap would make the new benefit program easier for veterans to understand and simpler for the Department of Veterans Affairs to run, said Patrick Campbell, the IAVA's legislative counsel.
"The news letter adds this, along with a few more colorful rants, as to that little tidbit and others in the report:
"Well yes. Every veteran can certainly understand if a pack of scum rat traitors f**k them over by getting Congress to cut the amount of money they get to go to school. And yes, it will be simple for the VA to give out less money to the veterans. Oh, sorry, misunderstanding: the purpose of the program isn't to benefit veterans first, they come after making things "simpler" for the VA, yeah, that's what the priority should be, right, f**k the veterans. What a pack of lame, stupid sleazy bulls**t.
"This is a list of Maximum In-State Tuition & Fees Payable, and I have a much simpler way of handling the wide ranging fluctuations in the tuition's and fee's of the many colleges and universities across the country and give back to this new generation of Combat Veterans, those serving the many multiple tours in both theaters and those serving during these times.
"Why not get the Schools to Sacrifice and bring in line, across the country, their tuition and fee's!!
"This country hasn't been asked to sacrifice a damn thing, except the Off Federal and Department of Defense Budget's Supplemental Costs, Billions upon Billions no questions asked, during these conflicts and occupations.
"Time has long passed for those serving be served by the greater majority, and especially in these times of economic collapse.
"These soldiers are well trained and disciplined, as those before them, and would become the leading forces to be once again, serving this country, if given what is due those that want, the Best Education our Colleges and Universities can offer.
"Take the tuitions and fee's of all the schools, come up with an average between all of them, fund that average and tell the schools that's what they get. The least expensive, would benefit by getting more than what they receive now, which than could be used to help them expand their programs etc. not only for these veterans but all their students. The most expensive, now, if they feel they are getting shafted could look at their real needs and see if the funding would fit, if not than raise the non-veteran students contribution a few bucks to make up the differance, or take it out of the sports programs of the bigger schools reaping millions from those.
"I'm sure that these establishments of Higher Learning have Intelligent Administrations that can make it work, sacrificing a few dollars and helping those who already sacrificed in service to country become a force in the professions they choose to serve once again, helping this country go forward in leadership by example!
Here's your link: http://imagineaworldof.blogspot.com/2009/02/deja-vu-vets-looking-to-slash-veterans.html
I wondered why it was taking so long to roll out the final version of this 'groundbreaking' legislation... well, there it is... so vet's aren't good enough to attend some schools? ... I agree with every f and bs in this post. Being a veteran really doesn't mean anything to Joe the Plumber, Six-Pack, or Jackass, does it? Shame on veteran's groups that recommend such limits, shame on legislators that listen to them, and shame on people that would put a price on sacrificing your civilian career, family and life for a country that behaves so badly toward you afterwards.
~Doc~
"Not even waiting for the debacles to end and all the soldiers to come home, where have I seen this All before!
"I get a newsletter, many 'Nam Vets and now OIF and OEF Active and Vets are on his list, from a brother 'Nam Vet that started in the drum roll of War and has continued these last 7 plus years. It's called the "Military Project" and is based on the Underground GI Newspapers during the Vietnam War, sans online technology, that were started on Military Bases around the World and In-Country Vietnam as the Military troops started organizing against our countries failed policies and devastating Conflict and Occupation.
"This was in the recent news letter: Veterans groups want cap on tuition aid under new G.I. bill
"Just a few months after securing a historic, multibillion-dollar increase in veterans educational benefits, some veterans groups may ask Congress to wipe out part of what they gained.
"The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and the American Legion are among groups considering asking lawmakers to place a cap - $13,000 per year has been suggested by the IAVA - on tuition aid for veterans. That's far less than would be available in many states under a new GI bill for post-9/11 troops but is enough to cover virtually all public college costs, advocates of the limit say.
"The cap would make the new benefit program easier for veterans to understand and simpler for the Department of Veterans Affairs to run, said Patrick Campbell, the IAVA's legislative counsel.
"One of the reasons I became active in Veterans issues, outside of being one and especially one who served in-country 'Nam my last year of a four year Navy hitch, was in watching the political game playing and an apathetic society, that doesn't serve, not raising their voices against what goes on. I was seeing benefit monies not increased, because of our failed political foreign policies that created another generation of combat vets, but transfered from one group, Korean Vets, to us returning 'Nam Vets, than quietly cut each year or walls put up to make it tougher to receive what was due for our service to country.
"Why this new generation of Vets, especially in a highly respected group like IAVA-Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America would be looking to start rolling back what they fought so hard to get passed, the New GI Bill and teaming up with the American Legion, one of the long standing Veterans Groups, virtually silent on what happens to those returning, along with other long standing vet groups, until well after the investigative reports have hit the mainstream, is beyond me, but I've watched it all before. And the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars-VFW have been part and partial to the political will of backing these types of cuts to their brothers and sisters, one of the reasons many of us 'Nam Vets belong to neither!
"I'll say this, IAVA you're being played and played for the benefit of these long entrenched Veterans Groups with political agenda's, not agenda's strickly for us who've served!
"a cap - $13,000 per year has been suggested by the IAVA - on tuition aid for veterans.
"This is what Thomas, of the "Military Project" has in footnotes to the article:
"Translation: veterans are unfit to go to more expensive private colleges so we sell-out, backstabbing worthless s**t-eating fake "Veterans Organizations" don't want them to have the money to go; those are for the children of the rich, after all.
"We can't have a bunch of grotty veterans around campus reminding Muffie and Bruce Jr. about the unpleasant realities of American life. As the super rich of Greenwich, Connecticut like to say, "They just wouldn't fit in." And by the way, did you catch the weasel words, "virtually all" public college costs? That means it won't cover all public college costs. Duh.
"Thomas can get extremely colorful in his language { you can read the recent news letter here in PDF }, like myself, when he's Extremely Pissed, as we watch, and have been witness to, the DeJa-Vu concerning our Wars and Occupations and the Returning Troops, we've been fighting this crap for many years now, and continue to do so, living up to our Oath to our Service taken when we joined and lived!
"The cap would make the new benefit program easier for veterans to understand and simpler for the Department of Veterans Affairs to run, said Patrick Campbell, the IAVA's legislative counsel.
"The news letter adds this, along with a few more colorful rants, as to that little tidbit and others in the report:
"Well yes. Every veteran can certainly understand if a pack of scum rat traitors f**k them over by getting Congress to cut the amount of money they get to go to school. And yes, it will be simple for the VA to give out less money to the veterans. Oh, sorry, misunderstanding: the purpose of the program isn't to benefit veterans first, they come after making things "simpler" for the VA, yeah, that's what the priority should be, right, f**k the veterans. What a pack of lame, stupid sleazy bulls**t.
"This is a list of Maximum In-State Tuition & Fees Payable, and I have a much simpler way of handling the wide ranging fluctuations in the tuition's and fee's of the many colleges and universities across the country and give back to this new generation of Combat Veterans, those serving the many multiple tours in both theaters and those serving during these times.
"Why not get the Schools to Sacrifice and bring in line, across the country, their tuition and fee's!!
"This country hasn't been asked to sacrifice a damn thing, except the Off Federal and Department of Defense Budget's Supplemental Costs, Billions upon Billions no questions asked, during these conflicts and occupations.
"Time has long passed for those serving be served by the greater majority, and especially in these times of economic collapse.
"These soldiers are well trained and disciplined, as those before them, and would become the leading forces to be once again, serving this country, if given what is due those that want, the Best Education our Colleges and Universities can offer.
"Take the tuitions and fee's of all the schools, come up with an average between all of them, fund that average and tell the schools that's what they get. The least expensive, would benefit by getting more than what they receive now, which than could be used to help them expand their programs etc. not only for these veterans but all their students. The most expensive, now, if they feel they are getting shafted could look at their real needs and see if the funding would fit, if not than raise the non-veteran students contribution a few bucks to make up the differance, or take it out of the sports programs of the bigger schools reaping millions from those.
"I'm sure that these establishments of Higher Learning have Intelligent Administrations that can make it work, sacrificing a few dollars and helping those who already sacrificed in service to country become a force in the professions they choose to serve once again, helping this country go forward in leadership by example!
Here's your link: http://imagineaworldof.blogspot.com/2009/02/deja-vu-vets-looking-to-slash-veterans.html
I wondered why it was taking so long to roll out the final version of this 'groundbreaking' legislation... well, there it is... so vet's aren't good enough to attend some schools? ... I agree with every f and bs in this post. Being a veteran really doesn't mean anything to Joe the Plumber, Six-Pack, or Jackass, does it? Shame on veteran's groups that recommend such limits, shame on legislators that listen to them, and shame on people that would put a price on sacrificing your civilian career, family and life for a country that behaves so badly toward you afterwards.
~Doc~
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That's the kind of investment in the future, based on a record of committment and self-sacrifice, that this nation needs. We've got to get beyond the petty bickering about costs, the false pre-occupation with doing everything "on the cheap" and strive for some real achievement and innovation.