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How did they get to this number of 700 billion USD?  Brian Wingfield and Josh Zumbrun, Forbes magazine reporters, write:

In fact, some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy.

"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number." [my emphasis]

Is there nothing that Republicans won't do to bamboozle and swindle people out of their homes and to keep Wall Street failed financiers in the black?  But it takes a willing accomplice to the crime.  Wingfield and Zumbrung continue:

A spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., says she is optimistic that the House will pass a bill this week. But that doesn't mean the Senate, which is by nature more sluggish than its larger counterpart on the other side of Capitol Hill, will be so quick to act.

Martin D. Weiss writes, from his financial newsletter Money and Markets:

We believe Congress may be on the verge of making what could become one of the greatest policy mistakes of modern times, passing bailout legislation that could aggravate, rather than alleviate, the nation's massive debt crisis.

Who is Martin D. Weiss?  Eric N. Berg, New York Tiems business writer, reports:

An anthropology graduate of New York University and Columbia University, Mr. Weiss began his career by working at the investment-newsletter publishing firm of his father, Irving Weiss. One of his first assignments was editing Money and Credit Reports, a newsletter that dealt with interest rates and the safety of financial institutions. Mr. Weiss says he trained for that job as a teen-ager, tagging along when the elder Mr. Weiss visited banks, brokerage firms and insurance companies. On His Own

In 1971, Mr. Weiss struck out on his own, founding Weiss Research to provide investment advice to wealthy individuals. In 1976, he expanded the business to include the publication of his own financial newsletters (his father's newsletters had ceased operating by then).

In 1980, after a two-year stint in Japan as a Fulbright Scholar studying decision making in Japanese financial institutions, Mr. Weiss returned to the United States to begin issuing formal safety ratings on banks and saving associations.

Nine years later, he began rating insurers. Unlike the other major agencies, which rely heavily on management assessments, Mr. Weiss focuses on the detailed financial results that insurers file with state insurance commissions. To generate a letter grade, he crunches all the numbers using a computer model developed by an actuary, Peter Chapman, and an insurance professor, Harold Skipper of Georgia State University.

Time to stop the Bush-Pelosi gravy train to the privateers of the financial sector.  As many others have said why should be we believe in the "solution" from the same people who brought such fiscal irresponsiblity upon themselves (like Sec. Treasury Paulson who was Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs)?


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Ken, have you been following the hearings?
By Kevlar Liberal Sep 25th 2008 at 10:28 am EDT (Updated Sep 25th 2008 at 10:28 am EDT)
Right now, the the current low end of the bailout is $150-200 Billion, and the high end is less than $500 Billion. If those numbers hold, that will be less than the S&L bailout in the early 90's even if we didn't adjust for inflation.

For once, the Spineless Dems in Congress are doing their job - they're poking huge holes in Paulson's withdrawl request, and they're starting to ask for something in return.

In 1992, Sweden faced the same meltdown, under almost the exact same standards (deregulated industry, bad real estate loans, etc.) When the Gov't bailed them out, they extracted some serious hurt from the Swedish Financial Industry, and demanded some real collateral, in the form of ownership state in the financial institutions.

The crisis was resolved, and in the end, it cost the Swedish taxpayers nothing, since the Gov't participated in the gains the markets made.

THIS is what Rep. Ken Salazar needs to be demanding for us in the negotiations....
Re: Ken, have you been following the hearings?
By Ken Sep 25th 2008 at 1:34 pm EDT (Updated Sep 25th 2008 at 1:34 pm EDT)
Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for any of this mess?

We have bankruptcy laws that should handle the liquidation of any corporation.

Why should the American taxpayer pay "premium" prices for bad paper debt that should be had at "fire sale" pricing.

Isn't that what initially happened to Bear Stearns?

The biggest point should be made that homeowners should be given the same protection as the biggest financial high rollers of Wall Street. If there isn't such protections then there should be "NO DEAL" because those who are ultimately hurt our homeowners which make up the economic foundation for all of those exotic financial vehicles that Wall Street loves.
Because that's what a strong Federal Gov't DO
By Kevlar Liberal Sep 25th 2008 at 2:55 pm EDT (Updated Sep 25th 2008 at 2:55 pm EDT)
"Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for any of this mess?"

They shouldn't, if they follow the plan that Sweden did. But I suspect your question should've been:

"Why should the gov't intervene at all?"

Because that is the role of a strong Federal Gov't that follows a progressive agenda.

Yes, we could let the backbone of the American Financial Industry collapse into bankruptcy. And send the American Financial System into complete collapse, since the majority of American business relies on credit and other financial instruments to conduct day-to-day business.

If you would read my friggin' posts, you would see I'm not in favor of buying bad debt for full price...I'm in favor of the Swedish plan that forced the companies to consolidate their books, and sell portions of their companies to the Federal Gov't in exchange for the bailout money.

When they recover, and they probably will, we the taxpayers will get a payout as well.
Re: Because that's what a strong Federal Gov't DO
By Doc Sep 26th 2008 at 10:01 am EDT (Updated Sep 26th 2008 at 10:01 am EDT)
Flawed logic... if the financial industry deregulated by Congress can not help itself with prime interest rates of four to six percent, how can taxpayers paying interest rates to the same financial institutions at up to twenty-two percent afford to bail them out on top of what they as customers already own to these failing institutions? The assumption that the government will bail out taxpayers at some future date doesn't jibe with anything the current administration has done in recent history... like give back habeus corpus (?) And what is this recovery going to look like? Business as usual, more shaky financial products, derivitives sold on margins with no actual cash changing hands, rapant speculation and no real infrastruction in a deal that was hammered out in 72 hours? Continued higher interest fleecing of the consumer by the few companies that survive the fallout? Come on!
  
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