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I've been following the posts and rants on this fine website for the last two weeks, and the one constant in all of the post is the willingness to repeat the same STUPID bumper sticker mentality that says "No Welfare for Wall Street!"

I've tried to dispassionately tell you all you're focusing on a stupid bumper sticker talking point, and you're missing the big issue. So I guess I need to go with an brutal force insult instead of informed debate:

You're all being a bunch of webpost DUMBASSES!

You guys can do all the cut 'n paste web stories you want, and you still don't get the jist of the fiscal meltdown we're facing. It has nothing to do with the money blown by investment firms on dumbass gambles. None of the money discussed in the bailout is going to those companies.

This is a CREDIT Crisis - and since the American Economy now runs almost exclusively on credit, any freeze in that process will melt down our economy and at least put us in a deep recession, if not a real depression.

The real issue is this - banks and other similar institutions now have so much bad debt that they no longer have the money to lend to each other, much less to other customers. (This is Federal law that they're required to have so much in assets at any one time.) In the case of banks, a large portion of those assets are mortgage-based, and thanks to the housing bubble, they aren't worth as much as they say....even though most of those mortgages are being paid.

When banks stop lending to each other to fuel the complex financial instruments that our economy uses now, they then stop lending to everyone else. (The interest rate they charge each other when they do has shot up to the point that no bank can afford the loan.)

It starts with the so-so-credit, most of which is the American Consumer and his staggering load of consumer debt. It keeps going and engulfs small and medium business which use credit, rather than cash to buy inventory, ship goods, make payroll, etc.

History shows that when this happens, a broad economic crisis can follow, for instance, the Great Depression and Japan's decade-long recession in the 1990s.

"If nothing is done, the potential for these markets to seize up in a big way is definitely there," said Frederic S. Mishkin, an economist at Columbia University who was a Federal Reserve governor until last month. "When you look at the history of these crises, when things spin out of control, the cost to fix it later goes up exponentially."

Which goes back to my original point - al the posts and dumbass commentary is centered around the mistaken idea that all of the money proposed for the bailout is going to the investment and brokerage firms that bought the subprime mortgages as corporate bonds from these banks in trouble.

THAT"S NOT WHAT THE CURRENT BAILOUT BILL IS ABOUT!!! It's a combination of buying some of the mortgage debt, and providing some cash to the banks so they can walk the line of keeping so much in assets AND lend money in the form of credit to keep the economy going.

Now, over 200 non-Wall Street economists say this in-between approach is a bad idea....they signed a petition started by a University of Chicago Professor that stated the current bailout bill sucked. Their statement is either give it all to the banks to get them back on track, or buy all the bad mortgage debt.

With either approach, the debate NEEDS to be how the American taxpayer can get a chunk of these banks, and make we get our money back once the crisis is resolved.

But none of the commentary posted on this website does this -- AND IT NEEDS TO STOP!!

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Not mortgages but trust
By Ken Oct 1st 2008 at 12:24 pm EDT (Updated Oct 1st 2008 at 12:24 pm EDT)
It is a matter that mortgages is the foundation for this house of cards, but the real problem is that there is now zero trust between financial institutions.

Buying bad financial instruments that is not the way to go in order to clear off from the books of banks by government.

The specialty investment vehicles were based on, essentially, greed.

As other financial experts, like Krugman and Roubini, have pointed out is that the bills in the House and Senate did not truly address the problems. The current Senate bill is even worse in the fact that tax cuts are in the mix.

There are other proposals out there but the corporate media is beating the drum of fear to cower the American people into a self actualizing prophecy of "recession" and "depression".

Here is a question: Is Warren Buffet "terrified"?

[Remember the film "It's a Wonderful Life"?

During the 1929 stock market crash and panic that is gripping Bedford Falls George Bailey exclaims about the town's richest man, "Potter isn't selling. He's buying!"]

This is not the time for panic but for level headedness; to be cool, calm, and collected in the face of adversity while others around you are losing their heads.
NO, it's all about Credit, not trust!
By Kevlar Liberal Oct 1st 2008 at 12:50 pm EDT (Updated Oct 1st 2008 at 12:50 pm EDT)
The crunch is already happening in Colorado:

"Despite credit crunch, local company to keep trucking"

Link

Money quote:

"Gavito says her company, Gavito Trucking, which has been in business for nine years, has never been late paying its bills. They started with just one truck, worked up to four over the years, and are now down to three as the economy forces the family-owned business to slam on the brakes.

Despite their regular payments, Gavito says on Monday morning she got a letter from Wright Express saying her line of fuel credit would be cut anyway.

“We have awesome credit,” said Gavito. “We've never been a day late or a dollar short on paying our fuel bill and it concerns me when they decide to lower your fuel credit by $11,000.”

Their credit line went from $60,000 to $49,000 a month.

In the letter, the company said they were passing on their economic issues. "

It's doesn't matter if the banks and financial institutions "trust:" you or not - they're reducing the amount of credit they extend to everyone, including the small businesses with excellent credit.

And unless Congress does something and FAST, it's going to get much worse!
  
Payday Loan Advocate for The Financial Crisis - if you're not terrified, you don't understand the situation...
By Payday Loan Advocate Nov 8th 2008 at 12:10 am EST (Updated Nov 8th 2008 at 12:10 am EST)
Most people have been conditioned to accept the operation of the economy as an article of faith. Unlimited growth and wealth accumulation are seen as the “natural law” of the economy and nothing can be done to alter this fact – even if it is means the integrity of Earth’s ecological and social systems are severely damaged in the process. This “inconvenient truth” is now a moral challenge.

The largest issue that has come to light in America in the past year is the economy and its current crisis. The word around the various media outlets is to get out now, and to curb spending with expediency. However, some believe that we are actually in a recovery position. The thing about economies is that they work in cycles, of growth and recession, and some leaders in the economics field believe that we are beginning recovery instead of entering a massive contraction. This recent discussion segment is from Fox News, where Jeff Sachs from the Earth Institute at Columbia University and Dan Shaffer from the Shaffer Asset Management firm discuss the economic forecast, and talk about the light at the end of the tunnel. Sachs hails the Feds’ efforts to thaw the short term money market, and Shaffer provides a statistical/historical context by pointing out that there have been 14 different times since 1929 where the stock market has plunged by 40% or more, with an instance in 1973 where the stock market took a 49% dive. If the short term markets were to freeze, then businesses wouldn’t be able to have access to working capital, and wouldn’t be able to pay payrolls and other expenses. These other recessions have been survived by America. Shaffer’s assessments of the S&P and Dow indicate a bear market, which is a market condition in which the prices of securities are falling or are expected to fall, is here. If we’re lucky, well funded entrepreneurs like Warren Buffet just might be able to jump in and invest while the time is right. What has been hurt is beginning to be repaired, but in the meantime, don’t start hiding under the bed. The best thing to do is keep your money on the market, and not to curtail personal spending too much. More money in the system means the better chances for avoiding a recession. If you do run into some short term problems, remember that there are short term installment loans available as an option for help. Go out and stimulate the economy, my fellow Americans.

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